tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26129073.post3461976567338078247..comments2023-12-06T19:46:26.522-05:00Comments on The Greenbelt: Blog against Theocracy I: liberal scholarsThe Ridger, FCDhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01538111197270563075noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26129073.post-49115913944306334042007-04-07T09:27:00.000-04:002007-04-07T09:27:00.000-04:00Plus, of course, Harris says "may", not "should" ....Plus, of course, Harris says "may", not "should" ... In fact, what's in that little ellipsis of yours is quite important to defining his thought, as is what came before it, and it's a bit disingenuous of you to leave it out:<BR/><BR/>"The link between belief and behavior raises the stakes conderably. *Some propositions are so dangerous that it may even be ethical to kill people for believing them*. This may seem an extraordinary claim, but it merely enunciates an ordinary fact about the world in which we live. Certain beliefs place their adherents beyond the reach of every peaceful means of persuasion, while inspiring them to commit acts of extraordinary violence against others. There is, in fact, no talking to some people. If they cannot be captured, and they often cannot, otherwise tolerant people may be justified in killing them in self-defense. This is what the United States attempted in Afghanistan, and it is what we and other Western powers are bound to attempt, at an even greater cost to ourselves and to innocents abroad, elsewhere in the Muslim world. We will continue to spill blood in what is, at bottom, a war of ideas."<BR/><BR/>He's talking about beliefs that lead to actions, NOT "simple" belief.The Ridger, FCDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01538111197270563075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26129073.post-14785081007489216282007-04-07T09:06:00.000-04:002007-04-07T09:06:00.000-04:00By the way - those beliefs Harris is talking about...By the way - those beliefs Harris is talking about? You don't have to "hunt down" their holders - they're coming after you.The Ridger, FCDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01538111197270563075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26129073.post-75461228272593684602007-04-07T09:05:00.000-04:002007-04-07T09:05:00.000-04:00I believe you - I read the book. Tell me you don't...I believe you - I read the book. Tell me you don't believe that killing people who believe they have the unavoidable moral duty to kill you because their god told them to should be killed in your own self-defence if you cannot capture them.<BR/><BR/>If you do, I admire your moral integrity and hope they don't catch you. If you don't, consider that perhaps Harris doesn't preach that out of religion but out of pure desire to stay alive.The Ridger, FCDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01538111197270563075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26129073.post-88654459866392385712007-04-06T22:31:00.000-04:002007-04-06T22:31:00.000-04:00Sam Harris says people should be hunted down and k...Sam Harris says people should be hunted down and killed simply on the basis of their beliefs.<BR/><BR/>"Some propositions are so dangerous that it may even be ethical to kill people for believing them. . . . There is, in fact, no talking to some people. If they cannot be captured, and they often cannot, otherwise tolerant people may be justified in killing them in self–defense."<BR/><BR/>Google it if you do not believe me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com